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		<title>by: Ben Messer</title>
		<link>http://www.timberglund.com/blog/archives/580#comment-598</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I find it pathetic that in the most advanced country in the world we have no decency to keep alive people who are clearly alive.  We love our pleasure so much, that we'll sell our most precious gift of life for a little pleasure.  Mr. Schiavo ought to be dragged in front of a firing squad and shot for attempted, premeditated murder.  There is no question!

Wouldn't it be ironic if the doctor's were able to teach Terri to eat enough that she survived?  I wouldn't be able to wait for that court case (Terri Schiavo Files Attempted Murder Against Ex-Husband).  Wow!  That's a headline I'd love to see.  &quot;You tried to murder me and failed!  Time to pay the price, Michael!&quot;  I guess I can only pray at this point.

By the way, anyone know how we can get rid of these flippin' liberal, quacked, pseudo-law-abiding, nut-jobs we know as Supreme Court Justices?  I'd really rather see them kicked off their bench and dishonored than ever hear another word out of their God-forsaking, worthless, no good, dung distributing, wasteful mouths!  You know, there just aren't words for the dishonoring, evil, and despicable individuals most of these justices are.  Justices.  That makes them sound like they care about truth and what is just.  Huh!  These people don't know such things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it pathetic that in the most advanced country in the world we have no decency to keep alive people who are clearly alive.  We love our pleasure so much, that we&#8217;ll sell our most precious gift of life for a little pleasure.  Mr. Schiavo ought to be dragged in front of a firing squad and shot for attempted, premeditated murder.  There is no question!</p>
<p>Wouldn&#8217;t it be ironic if the doctor&#8217;s were able to teach Terri to eat enough that she survived?  I wouldn&#8217;t be able to wait for that court case (Terri Schiavo Files Attempted Murder Against Ex-Husband).  Wow!  That&#8217;s a headline I&#8217;d love to see.  &#8220;You tried to murder me and failed!  Time to pay the price, Michael!&#8221;  I guess I can only pray at this point.</p>
<p>By the way, anyone know how we can get rid of these flippin&#8217; liberal, quacked, pseudo-law-abiding, nut-jobs we know as Supreme Court Justices?  I&#8217;d really rather see them kicked off their bench and dishonored than ever hear another word out of their God-forsaking, worthless, no good, dung distributing, wasteful mouths!  You know, there just aren&#8217;t words for the dishonoring, evil, and despicable individuals most of these justices are.  Justices.  That makes them sound like they care about truth and what is just.  Huh!  These people don&#8217;t know such things.
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		<title>by: Adeodatus</title>
		<link>http://www.timberglund.com/blog/archives/580#comment-599</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Brother Ben, your passion is commended, as our indignation should not be sloughed off with a trite shrug, belittled by a fatalistic sneer, or lost in the manifold meandering of some overly complex bioethical reasoning.  At the same time, I don't think we can squarely confront this culture (which takes its ethical mandate of tolerance to embracing euthanasia and suicide) with language itself saturated in violence and execution.

I think, though, that the overriding emotive response demanded by these situations is not feelings of vitriol but deep, shuddering sadness. A rage at the far-reaching effects of sin itself: not just that death affects all living creatures in this age, but that fallen, damned creatures should try to embrace that outcome as something normal, natural, and beautiful. There is enough sadness in the Schiavo situation to go around. A woman nearly killed herself through an eating disorder, and now her family and our culture must show unusual responsibility and compassion in a very complicated ethical situation. (For the record, this cultural response to death is one of the reasons I have questions about the death penalty. It isn't an issue of justice, but whether our culture has the moral footing to execute such a judgment with the requisite grief and sense of reluctant obligation; we tend to treat state-sponsored death as the victim's right to ultimate revenge, or society's right to purge itself of icky people, rather than a very weighty and ultimately tragic duty to see justice done).

As for the nine robes atop our judicial branch: would you destroy it utterly if three are found there? How often do you find a unanimous decision coming from that bench, that they all must suffer your injury?  If indeed they have perpetuated injustice and call what is evil, good, we will hold them accountable. Most Americans understood what was at stake with this last election and this court, and took the one step they could to see that things will change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brother Ben, your passion is commended, as our indignation should not be sloughed off with a trite shrug, belittled by a fatalistic sneer, or lost in the manifold meandering of some overly complex bioethical reasoning.  At the same time, I don&#8217;t think we can squarely confront this culture (which takes its ethical mandate of tolerance to embracing euthanasia and suicide) with language itself saturated in violence and execution.</p>
<p>I think, though, that the overriding emotive response demanded by these situations is not feelings of vitriol but deep, shuddering sadness. A rage at the far-reaching effects of sin itself: not just that death affects all living creatures in this age, but that fallen, damned creatures should try to embrace that outcome as something normal, natural, and beautiful. There is enough sadness in the Schiavo situation to go around. A woman nearly killed herself through an eating disorder, and now her family and our culture must show unusual responsibility and compassion in a very complicated ethical situation. (For the record, this cultural response to death is one of the reasons I have questions about the death penalty. It isn&#8217;t an issue of justice, but whether our culture has the moral footing to execute such a judgment with the requisite grief and sense of reluctant obligation; we tend to treat state-sponsored death as the victim&#8217;s right to ultimate revenge, or society&#8217;s right to purge itself of icky people, rather than a very weighty and ultimately tragic duty to see justice done).</p>
<p>As for the nine robes atop our judicial branch: would you destroy it utterly if three are found there? How often do you find a unanimous decision coming from that bench, that they all must suffer your injury?  If indeed they have perpetuated injustice and call what is evil, good, we will hold them accountable. Most Americans understood what was at stake with this last election and this court, and took the one step they could to see that things will change.
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		<title>by: Ben Messer</title>
		<link>http://www.timberglund.com/blog/archives/580#comment-600</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Adeodatus, your point is well taken.  We ought to grieve over Terri Schiavo.  Ironically, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.evangelicaloutpost.com/archives/001245.html&quot;&gt; one blogger&lt;/a&gt; blames us as believers for the mess.  We have stood by not doing enough.  I believe the tragedy we are watching could have been averted.  It could have been stopped if enough of us hit the right areas.

My frustration comes as a partial outlet to my grief.  There is no reason for this life to be extinguished.  A soldier dies in war.  I can understand that.  A man murders his wife in front of witnesses and nothing is done?  This man ought to be tried for murder (let alone being held accountable for his adulterous actions).  Grief is necessary, but I think equally necessary is the vitriol for how our country has failed us in upholding the value of life.

As for our Justices, any judge who does not uphold the law and morality ought to be booted!  It is apparent that the American people know what is at stake with this President.  Yet, I seek a way that the American people can hold these justices accountable.  Most of them (if not all) have made both unlawful and immoral judgments.  That is not to say that for the rest of their lives, they must bear this reputation and continue to rule in such a way, but it does show that something must be done.  We have a rogue court.  That disturbs me.   It has disturbed me for most of my life (short though it has been).  I still maintain that something needs to be done about our upper courts.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adeodatus, your point is well taken.  We ought to grieve over Terri Schiavo.  Ironically, <a href="http://www.evangelicaloutpost.com/archives/001245.html"> one blogger</a> blames us as believers for the mess.  We have stood by not doing enough.  I believe the tragedy we are watching could have been averted.  It could have been stopped if enough of us hit the right areas.</p>
<p>My frustration comes as a partial outlet to my grief.  There is no reason for this life to be extinguished.  A soldier dies in war.  I can understand that.  A man murders his wife in front of witnesses and nothing is done?  This man ought to be tried for murder (let alone being held accountable for his adulterous actions).  Grief is necessary, but I think equally necessary is the vitriol for how our country has failed us in upholding the value of life.</p>
<p>As for our Justices, any judge who does not uphold the law and morality ought to be booted!  It is apparent that the American people know what is at stake with this President.  Yet, I seek a way that the American people can hold these justices accountable.  Most of them (if not all) have made both unlawful and immoral judgments.  That is not to say that for the rest of their lives, they must bear this reputation and continue to rule in such a way, but it does show that something must be done.  We have a rogue court.  That disturbs me.   It has disturbed me for most of my life (short though it has been).  I still maintain that something needs to be done about our upper courts.
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