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	<title>Comments on: Answering Jed</title>
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		<title>by: pentamom</title>
		<link>http://www.timberglund.com/blog/archives/533#comment-455</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>The only rotten tomato I'd throw is the idea that I am becoming increasingly convinced of -- any apologetic that does not consciously construct itself in light of the Trinitarian nature of reality (and don't ask me what that means, it's the guys studying apologetics who have to figure it out) is missing something.

IOW, the idea that nags at me is that the fact that God is Three and God is One is not some minor data point to stick into our creeds because it happens to be true in some abstract and not terribly relevant sense -- or at least, it only seems to matter so that explain why up is not down.  Something tells me that has to be more important than that -- that it does in some sense explain why up is not down and that if you're going to do apologetics, it's going to have to be in light of who God really is, not who He might be in some alternate cosmos.  Somehow I think that any system we construct -- whether apologetic approaches, political systems or you name it -- has to be consciously influenced by that fact.  How it works out, I don't know, but I think it somehow does matter.

Keep up the old-skoo stuff when it comes to aiming your apologetic in light of anthropology, by all means.  Any apologetic that doesn't offer redemption to those who can't embrace it on their own isn't going to get you all the way to the One Who is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only rotten tomato I&#8217;d throw is the idea that I am becoming increasingly convinced of &#8212; any apologetic that does not consciously construct itself in light of the Trinitarian nature of reality (and don&#8217;t ask me what that means, it&#8217;s the guys studying apologetics who have to figure it out) is missing something.</p>
<p>IOW, the idea that nags at me is that the fact that God is Three and God is One is not some minor data point to stick into our creeds because it happens to be true in some abstract and not terribly relevant sense &#8212; or at least, it only seems to matter so that explain why up is not down.  Something tells me that has to be more important than that &#8212; that it does in some sense explain why up is not down and that if you&#8217;re going to do apologetics, it&#8217;s going to have to be in light of who God really is, not who He might be in some alternate cosmos.  Somehow I think that any system we construct &#8212; whether apologetic approaches, political systems or you name it &#8212; has to be consciously influenced by that fact.  How it works out, I don&#8217;t know, but I think it somehow does matter.</p>
<p>Keep up the old-skoo stuff when it comes to aiming your apologetic in light of anthropology, by all means.  Any apologetic that doesn&#8217;t offer redemption to those who can&#8217;t embrace it on their own isn&#8217;t going to get you all the way to the One Who is.
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		<title>by: pentamom</title>
		<link>http://www.timberglund.com/blog/archives/533#comment-456</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Argh I hate when I confuse insert and overtype.

Clearly, this does not make any sense:

&quot;or at least, it only seems to matter so that explain why up is not down&quot;

Perhaps this does not either, but it is what I meant to say:

&quot;or at least, it only seems to matter so that  we get our soteriology right.  But I also think it should matter in the sense that it will explain why up is not down&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Argh I hate when I confuse insert and overtype.</p>
<p>Clearly, this does not make any sense:</p>
<p>&#8220;or at least, it only seems to matter so that explain why up is not down&#8221;</p>
<p>Perhaps this does not either, but it is what I meant to say:</p>
<p>&#8220;or at least, it only seems to matter so that  we get our soteriology right.  But I also think it should matter in the sense that it will explain why up is not down&#8221;
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		<title>by: pentamom</title>
		<link>http://www.timberglund.com/blog/archives/533#comment-457</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>D'oh.  I missed it that your old-skoo comment was with reference to a particular point.

Sure, I don't think we have to go top down from innerrancy.  Doesn't seem to me like the apostles did.  I do think you'll inevitably get there, though, given modern (evangelical *and* non-Christian) assumptions about how people only believe Christiainty because it's in some old book -- but I don't think I'm saying anything you'll disagree with there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>D&#8217;oh.  I missed it that your old-skoo comment was with reference to a particular point.</p>
<p>Sure, I don&#8217;t think we have to go top down from innerrancy.  Doesn&#8217;t seem to me like the apostles did.  I do think you&#8217;ll inevitably get there, though, given modern (evangelical *and* non-Christian) assumptions about how people only believe Christiainty because it&#8217;s in some old book &#8212; but I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;m saying anything you&#8217;ll disagree with there.
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		<title>by: Tim Berglund</title>
		<link>http://www.timberglund.com/blog/archives/533#comment-458</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Quickly, the answer to the burning question of the grade is in: A/A-. I couldda done bettah, except I never provided a clear definition of or apologetic for the correspondence theory of truth. Fair 'nuff.

Moving on to the second paper...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quickly, the answer to the burning question of the grade is in: A/A-. I couldda done bettah, except I never provided a clear definition of or apologetic for the correspondence theory of truth. Fair &#8217;nuff.</p>
<p>Moving on to the second paper&#8230;
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		<title>by: jed</title>
		<link>http://www.timberglund.com/blog/archives/533#comment-459</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Wow, soteriology. Gonna have to look that one up, I guess. But not until my brain decides to work again. At the moment, I'm having trouble getting it wrapped around a poorly documented object-oriented PHP package, in which most of the essential methods aren't even mentioned in the docs. And so, given that binary reality seems elusive, I don't quite feel up to approaching the concept of a trinitarian godhead, even though it's entirely familiar to me.

Regarding Capra, you don't really need to understand physics to grasp his premise. He makes that case that the parallels between Buddhism and quantum physics are striking, and, uh, sort of reciprocally validating. Heisenberg's uncertainty principle is illustrated by the story of Schoedinger's cat, in which a cat is inside a box, and we can't know the state of the cat without openning the box and observing it. I think there's a vial of poison in the box -- might have to re-read that. And there's something in there about how the act of observation affects the thing being observed, thus, in effect, creating at least a part of the observed reality.

This is congruent to a Buddhist worldview, which has been embraced by many neo-mystics, pagans, et. al., who argue that we can create our own realities.

Well, there's an extent to which this is true, else there would be no free will. But the mystical application goes deeper than that.

OK, I'm going away now, because I'm getting in deeper than I can really relate properly. You might have to remind to come back to this. I do want to get into a bit more, but I often find that such intentions get lost in the clutter.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, soteriology. Gonna have to look that one up, I guess. But not until my brain decides to work again. At the moment, I&#8217;m having trouble getting it wrapped around a poorly documented object-oriented PHP package, in which most of the essential methods aren&#8217;t even mentioned in the docs. And so, given that binary reality seems elusive, I don&#8217;t quite feel up to approaching the concept of a trinitarian godhead, even though it&#8217;s entirely familiar to me.</p>
<p>Regarding Capra, you don&#8217;t really need to understand physics to grasp his premise. He makes that case that the parallels between Buddhism and quantum physics are striking, and, uh, sort of reciprocally validating. Heisenberg&#8217;s uncertainty principle is illustrated by the story of Schoedinger&#8217;s cat, in which a cat is inside a box, and we can&#8217;t know the state of the cat without openning the box and observing it. I think there&#8217;s a vial of poison in the box &#8212; might have to re-read that. And there&#8217;s something in there about how the act of observation affects the thing being observed, thus, in effect, creating at least a part of the observed reality.</p>
<p>This is congruent to a Buddhist worldview, which has been embraced by many neo-mystics, pagans, et. al., who argue that we can create our own realities.</p>
<p>Well, there&#8217;s an extent to which this is true, else there would be no free will. But the mystical application goes deeper than that.</p>
<p>OK, I&#8217;m going away now, because I&#8217;m getting in deeper than I can really relate properly. You might have to remind to come back to this. I do want to get into a bit more, but I often find that such intentions get lost in the clutter.
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