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Answering Jed

Commenting on my Apologetics essay, Jed asks a couple of questions so good that they merit their own post in reply. Plus, it’s been a few days since there’s been a new post here, so why not, eh? He asks:

Not being a student of post modernist philosophy, am I correct in inferring that “modern” apologetics is, at least to a degree, a response to the worldview espoused by such as Fritjof Capra, in The Tao of Physics, i.e. a sort of Heisenbergian view that we create our own reality by our interactions with, uh, reality? I’ve always wondered what would occur if simultaneous observations of two states of an electron were possible. Perhaps they’d cancel each other out, and we’d observe nothing?

Acknowledging the need for brevity in your paper, notably absent is the task of establishing not just the nature of truth, but that the Bible is the unerring truth. Perhaps this isn’t part of a “basic strategy”, but it seems quite basic to me.

Presumably a later paper will address this?

Did you get a good grade?

When I replied to Jed last Friday I hadn’t gotten my paper back yet. I still haven’t. So you, like me, will have to be patient in waiting to learn the one thing we all really want to know.

Beyond that, Jed asks two questions: what is “modern” (or perhaps modernist) apologetics, and why didn’t I spend any time defending the doctrine of Scripture?

I have to admit I’m not familiar with Capra, and that it is to my continuing shame that I am not better-read on modern physics than I am. However, this sort of thing isn’t what modernist apologetics would be about. To my knowledge no one every ascribed that label of “Modernist Apologist” to himself in the heady days of the nineteenth century, but we could certainly name individuals who made it their life’s work to defend the Christian faith against the attacks that occurred during what we could safely call the Modernist era. B.B. Warfield may be the exemplar of this class.

As I have lamented before, there is a trend underway to use terms like “Modernism” and “Postmodernism” in rather imprecise ways. Indulging in a bit of this trendy imprecision, we might say that the core of the Modernist impulse was to arrive at all truth through unaided, autonomous human reason. Once we tapped into the power of unhindered reason, all limits on our ability to understand the physical universe and ourselves were going to fall away, and we would eventually know all that was knowable. (George Will once described the political implications of this Enlightenment Eschaton thus: “When the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest, then Pure Reason will be enthroned and everyone will agree about everything.”)

The libertarian right of the blogosphere may wonder what sounds so all-fired bad about this. Indeed, it seems to be the philosophy that animates Instapundit and his satellites. Its cogency in the minds of some notwithstanding, it was the enemy of nineteenth century Christian orthodoxy, and gave rise to defenses of the orthodox doctrine of Scripture, miracles, the Incarnation, and of course theism itself. On the whole it was relentlessly critical of Christianity, but the two systems shared a common view of truth: that it was objective, absolute, antithetical, and knowable to some degree or other. This allowed apologetic interaction to begin by discussing actual disputed doctrines, with less time spent negotiating the laws of logic or agreeing on whether knowledge is possible.

Now, recent thinkers have made the claim that the Church first illegitimately imbibed the Modernist zeitgeist it so hated, the fell asleep at the wheel as Modernity quietly died and Postmodernity arose from its ashes. Whether either of these claims is true, it is certainly the case that much of the Modernist view of truth has passed away, to be replaced by relativism of one stripe or another. This leaves us with the notion of “Postmodern” apologetics, or the defense of the Christian faith to people in a postmodern social and historical context. These people do not automatically believe that truth is objective, antithetical, absolute, and knowable, so the apologetic enterprise must begin by convincing them that it is. The rest of apologetics may be very similar to what went on 150 years ago under the regime of “Modernism,” which is a point I was trying to make in my paper. A few complications have arisen for the contemporary apologist, but the questions that actually rob people of sleep at night are no different than they ever were.

Now, why didn’t I defend the Bible? I was constrained not just by length, but also by intent. I was outlining the Christian worldview and suggesting a strategy for engaging today’s unbelievers, not providing my own top-down apologetic of the whole faith. This is a very practical limitation, since apologetics can’t proceed in the same way for all subjects. You may see the authority of the Bible as a central apologetic question, which means that any apologist taking the time to interact with you should address it. However, I would never waste my time engaging Andy on this topic. Why would he and I expend precious words on it, when we don’t even agree on theism? And if we could agree on theism, what about miracles? What about the character of God? The Incarnation? Inerrancy finds theological purchase in the mind committed to the foregoing; in the mind of the atheistic materialist it is foolishness and always will be.

This isn’t to say that you just have to jump in to inerrancy with no prior justification. It is merely to say that the gulf is too great in many cases to bother with the argument. Theism, miracles, the character of God, and the Incarnation can all be argued before inerrancy is in place1. It would be better to share that common ground before we go arguing about whether the Bible should be tossed because it says that π is three.

That said, let me repeat that it is your questions that matter, not so much my suggested approaches to questions you may or may not have. Apologetics must be personal. It is an authentic interaction between real human beings on matters of ultimate importance. For it to be worth anything, I must address your actual questions in a way that is cogent to you. Now, getting back to my first point, you don’t get to invent your own rules of cogency, but the fact remains that there is no antiseptic method that I can apply rigorously to all subjects and expect positive results. Dealing with persons is a little looser than that.

Again, many thanks for your excellent questions. Keep it up.



1I am being pretty obviously old-skoo Princeton about this. Certain readers–and you know who you are, and how many kids you have–are invited to offer alternate takes on this, or just throw virtual rotten tomatoes at me.

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5 Responses to “Answering Jed”

  1. pentamom says:

    The only rotten tomato I’d throw is the idea that I am becoming increasingly convinced of — any apologetic that does not consciously construct itself in light of the Trinitarian nature of reality (and don’t ask me what that means, it’s the guys studying apologetics who have to figure it out) is missing something.

    IOW, the idea that nags at me is that the fact that God is Three and God is One is not some minor data point to stick into our creeds because it happens to be true in some abstract and not terribly relevant sense — or at least, it only seems to matter so that explain why up is not down. Something tells me that has to be more important than that — that it does in some sense explain why up is not down and that if you’re going to do apologetics, it’s going to have to be in light of who God really is, not who He might be in some alternate cosmos. Somehow I think that any system we construct — whether apologetic approaches, political systems or you name it — has to be consciously influenced by that fact. How it works out, I don’t know, but I think it somehow does matter.

    Keep up the old-skoo stuff when it comes to aiming your apologetic in light of anthropology, by all means. Any apologetic that doesn’t offer redemption to those who can’t embrace it on their own isn’t going to get you all the way to the One Who is.

  2. pentamom says:

    Argh I hate when I confuse insert and overtype.

    Clearly, this does not make any sense:

    “or at least, it only seems to matter so that explain why up is not down”

    Perhaps this does not either, but it is what I meant to say:

    “or at least, it only seems to matter so that we get our soteriology right. But I also think it should matter in the sense that it will explain why up is not down”

  3. pentamom says:

    D’oh. I missed it that your old-skoo comment was with reference to a particular point.

    Sure, I don’t think we have to go top down from innerrancy. Doesn’t seem to me like the apostles did. I do think you’ll inevitably get there, though, given modern (evangelical *and* non-Christian) assumptions about how people only believe Christiainty because it’s in some old book — but I don’t think I’m saying anything you’ll disagree with there.

  4. Tim Berglund says:

    Quickly, the answer to the burning question of the grade is in: A/A-. I couldda done bettah, except I never provided a clear definition of or apologetic for the correspondence theory of truth. Fair ’nuff.

    Moving on to the second paper…

  5. jed says:

    Wow, soteriology. Gonna have to look that one up, I guess. But not until my brain decides to work again. At the moment, I’m having trouble getting it wrapped around a poorly documented object-oriented PHP package, in which most of the essential methods aren’t even mentioned in the docs. And so, given that binary reality seems elusive, I don’t quite feel up to approaching the concept of a trinitarian godhead, even though it’s entirely familiar to me.

    Regarding Capra, you don’t really need to understand physics to grasp his premise. He makes that case that the parallels between Buddhism and quantum physics are striking, and, uh, sort of reciprocally validating. Heisenberg’s uncertainty principle is illustrated by the story of Schoedinger’s cat, in which a cat is inside a box, and we can’t know the state of the cat without openning the box and observing it. I think there’s a vial of poison in the box — might have to re-read that. And there’s something in there about how the act of observation affects the thing being observed, thus, in effect, creating at least a part of the observed reality.

    This is congruent to a Buddhist worldview, which has been embraced by many neo-mystics, pagans, et. al., who argue that we can create our own realities.

    Well, there’s an extent to which this is true, else there would be no free will. But the mystical application goes deeper than that.

    OK, I’m going away now, because I’m getting in deeper than I can really relate properly. You might have to remind to come back to this. I do want to get into a bit more, but I often find that such intentions get lost in the clutter.

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