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	<title>Comments on: The More Things Change: Christian Apologetics In Postmodernity</title>
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		<title>by: jed</title>
		<link>http://www.timberglund.com/blog/archives/527#comment-442</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I'm glad you didn't use big words such as hermenuetics and exigesis.

Not being a student of post modernist philosophy, am I correct in inferring that &quot;modern&quot; apologetics is, at least to a degree, a response to the worldview espoused by such as Fritjof Capra, in &lt;i&gt;The Tao of Physics&lt;/i&gt;, i.e. a sort of Heisenbergian view that we create our own reality by our interactions with, uh, reality? I've always wondered what would occur if simultaneous observations of two states of an electron were possible. Perhaps they'd cancel each other out, and we'd observe nothing?

Acknowledging the need for brevity in your paper, notably absent is the task of establishing not just the nature of truth, but that the Bible is the unerring truth. Perhaps this isn't part of a &quot;basic strategy&quot;, but it seems quite basic to me.

Presumably a later paper will address this?

Did you get a good grade?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad you didn&#8217;t use big words such as hermenuetics and exigesis.</p>
<p>Not being a student of post modernist philosophy, am I correct in inferring that &#8220;modern&#8221; apologetics is, at least to a degree, a response to the worldview espoused by such as Fritjof Capra, in <i>The Tao of Physics</i>, i.e. a sort of Heisenbergian view that we create our own reality by our interactions with, uh, reality? I&#8217;ve always wondered what would occur if simultaneous observations of two states of an electron were possible. Perhaps they&#8217;d cancel each other out, and we&#8217;d observe nothing?</p>
<p>Acknowledging the need for brevity in your paper, notably absent is the task of establishing not just the nature of truth, but that the Bible is the unerring truth. Perhaps this isn&#8217;t part of a &#8220;basic strategy&#8221;, but it seems quite basic to me.</p>
<p>Presumably a later paper will address this?</p>
<p>Did you get a good grade?
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		<title>by: Tim Berglund</title>
		<link>http://www.timberglund.com/blog/archives/527#comment-443</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Jed:

Thanks for reading the post and for asking excellent questions. They are so excellent, in fact, that I'm going to use them as the basis for my next substantive post, coming to a blog near you in the next couple of days.

To answer the most important question first: I haven't got the paper back yet. I dunno what I got on it. :)</description>
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<p>Thanks for reading the post and for asking excellent questions. They are so excellent, in fact, that I&#8217;m going to use them as the basis for my next substantive post, coming to a blog near you in the next couple of days.</p>
<p>To answer the most important question first: I haven&#8217;t got the paper back yet. I dunno what I got on it. <img src='http://www.timberglund.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />
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		<title>by: jed</title>
		<link>http://www.timberglund.com/blog/archives/527#comment-444</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.timberglund.com/blog/archives/527#comment-444</guid>
					<description>Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick

Ran across that yesterday -- seems apropos.

Some day, maybe I'll regale you, and the rest of blogland, with the &quot;Losing My Religion&quot; essay which has been in my head for about 3 years or so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn&#8217;t go away.</p>
<p>-Philip K. Dick</p>
<p>Ran across that yesterday &#8212; seems apropos.</p>
<p>Some day, maybe I&#8217;ll regale you, and the rest of blogland, with the &#8220;Losing My Religion&#8221; essay which has been in my head for about 3 years or so.
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		<title>by: Tim Berglund</title>
		<link>http://www.timberglund.com/blog/archives/527#comment-445</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Jed:

I think that quote occurred in one of the books on the reading list. It was probably &lt;i&gt;Truth Decay&lt;/i&gt;.

Regale us with that, sir! It is something I would like to read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jed:</p>
<p>I think that quote occurred in one of the books on the reading list. It was probably <i>Truth Decay</i>.</p>
<p>Regale us with that, sir! It is something I would like to read.
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		<title>by: jed</title>
		<link>http://www.timberglund.com/blog/archives/527#comment-446</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.timberglund.com/blog/archives/527#comment-446</guid>
					<description>Well, I hope you can be very patient, because I'm not feeling any newly found impetus towards regalation. But I doubt it will leave my mind anytime soon, as it's been sitting there, ensconsed in its cocoon, occasionally stirring a bit. I would be helped out had I been keeping a journal back in those days, not that I've ever kept one. But the roots of some of the doctrinal points escape me these days. And it isn't something I'd just dash off like a typical blog entry. Heavens, man! I'd have to &lt;b&gt;work&lt;/b&gt; at it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I hope you can be very patient, because I&#8217;m not feeling any newly found impetus towards regalation. But I doubt it will leave my mind anytime soon, as it&#8217;s been sitting there, ensconsed in its cocoon, occasionally stirring a bit. I would be helped out had I been keeping a journal back in those days, not that I&#8217;ve ever kept one. But the roots of some of the doctrinal points escape me these days. And it isn&#8217;t something I&#8217;d just dash off like a typical blog entry. Heavens, man! I&#8217;d have to <b>work</b> at it.
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		<title>by: mr_Dellay</title>
		<link>http://www.timberglund.com/blog/archives/527#comment-447</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Unfortunetly I don't understand english well. But it's good that you have been writing such helpfull esse. I hope here is helpfull notes. May GOD bless your your life in all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunetly I don&#8217;t understand english well. But it&#8217;s good that you have been writing such helpfull esse. I hope here is helpfull notes. May GOD bless your your life in all.
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		<title>by: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.timberglund.com/blog/archives/527#comment-448</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I think your paper is excellent, but I want to emphasize even more your last point, that relational ministry is necessary to reach pomos.  A difference exists between the postmodern thinker and the postmodern &quot;liver.&quot;  Thinkers know what they believe and why; livers are simpler in thought, yet ever increasing in numbers as modernity's influence fades. They are postmodern by birth, not choice.  So while the fundamental underpinnings of postmodernism remain the same, they vary in expression from person to person, from the Sartre-wielding grad student to the high schooler struggling to find Truth in a relativist, multicultural environment.  I have found from personal experience that, the more learned the person, the more wary they become of dogma, and therefore of apologetics. You covered this point, but I want to reemphasize the importance of relational ministry, often touted as an alternative to apologetics.  Still, apologetics is  needed. I don't know if you are familiar with Ravi Zacharas, but he does apologetics very well in the mold you have described. I personally am a postmodern who put down any apologetical texts, wary of rhetoric or relative squabbling, but have been recently inspired by the works of thinkers like Zacharias. Perhaps it can be done.    
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think your paper is excellent, but I want to emphasize even more your last point, that relational ministry is necessary to reach pomos.  A difference exists between the postmodern thinker and the postmodern &#8220;liver.&#8221;  Thinkers know what they believe and why; livers are simpler in thought, yet ever increasing in numbers as modernity&#8217;s influence fades. They are postmodern by birth, not choice.  So while the fundamental underpinnings of postmodernism remain the same, they vary in expression from person to person, from the Sartre-wielding grad student to the high schooler struggling to find Truth in a relativist, multicultural environment.  I have found from personal experience that, the more learned the person, the more wary they become of dogma, and therefore of apologetics. You covered this point, but I want to reemphasize the importance of relational ministry, often touted as an alternative to apologetics.  Still, apologetics is  needed. I don&#8217;t know if you are familiar with Ravi Zacharas, but he does apologetics very well in the mold you have described. I personally am a postmodern who put down any apologetical texts, wary of rhetoric or relative squabbling, but have been recently inspired by the works of thinkers like Zacharias. Perhaps it can be done.
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