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		<title>by: Tim</title>
		<link>http://www.timberglund.com/blog/archives/526#comment-4567</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 May 2006 03:27:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Keri:

Are you talking about vouchers? If so, then sign me up. Homeschooling doesn't seem to work for a majority of parents, but a free-market delivery of educational services (as you seem to suggest when you say, &quot;Maybe teachers should be able to set a price for their services like doctors do&quot;) would probably be a good step in improving education outside of homeschooling spheress. However, that's an entirely different topic, and I suspect you didn't really mean it to begin with.

But about parents spending on education what they do on healthcare: parents sending their children even to low-priced private schools could easily do just that. A  healthy family of four could spend north of $800/mo on private medical insurance, and would also spend about that much on private school tuition for both kids ($5000/year/student). I'll let you dredge up exact figures if you're interested, but these are clearly in the ballpark. And don't school districts in most states end up receiving more than $5000 per student per year? Again, I'll let you Google it.

Tim</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keri:</p>
<p>Are you talking about vouchers? If so, then sign me up. Homeschooling doesn&#8217;t seem to work for a majority of parents, but a free-market delivery of educational services (as you seem to suggest when you say, &#8220;Maybe teachers should be able to set a price for their services like doctors do&#8221;) would probably be a good step in improving education outside of homeschooling spheress. However, that&#8217;s an entirely different topic, and I suspect you didn&#8217;t really mean it to begin with.</p>
<p>But about parents spending on education what they do on healthcare: parents sending their children even to low-priced private schools could easily do just that. A  healthy family of four could spend north of $800/mo on private medical insurance, and would also spend about that much on private school tuition for both kids ($5000/year/student). I&#8217;ll let you dredge up exact figures if you&#8217;re interested, but these are clearly in the ballpark. And don&#8217;t school districts in most states end up receiving more than $5000 per student per year? Again, I&#8217;ll let you Google it.</p>
<p>Tim
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		<title>by: Keri</title>
		<link>http://www.timberglund.com/blog/archives/526#comment-4556</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Apr 2006 01:43:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.timberglund.com/blog/archives/526#comment-4556</guid>
					<description>Your rebuttal of the medical profession is off the mark.  If parents would put the amount of money they do in medical insurance and doctor visits into education and teachers - there would be no need for &quot;homeschooling.&quot;  Maybe teachers should be able to set a price for their services like doctors do and the quality of care from a doctor is not reflective in his self-set pay scale.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your rebuttal of the medical profession is off the mark.  If parents would put the amount of money they do in medical insurance and doctor visits into education and teachers - there would be no need for &#8220;homeschooling.&#8221;  Maybe teachers should be able to set a price for their services like doctors do and the quality of care from a doctor is not reflective in his self-set pay scale.
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		<title>by: Tim</title>
		<link>http://www.timberglund.com/blog/archives/526#comment-4465</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Apr 2006 12:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.timberglund.com/blog/archives/526#comment-4465</guid>
					<description>Keri:

Thanks for your constructive and well-rendered input. I confess that you might have had a point if homeschooling didn't, in fact, seem to work pretty well in educating children. Many homeschooling parents judge themselves to be unqualified to teach more specialized high school-level material, which is why homeschooling is less common at that age, but even then success is not rare. And at the earlier ages especially, the real state of affairs must be different than what you see. Perhaps the analogy to medicine is not such a good one. That might explain the pay differential between teachers and doctors--if, of course, it isn't just due to more bourgeois expropriation of capital. Which I totally bet it is.

I would address the tired old canard about socialization, but I don't get the idea that you really want to talk about any of this.

Tim</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keri:</p>
<p>Thanks for your constructive and well-rendered input. I confess that you might have had a point if homeschooling didn&#8217;t, in fact, seem to work pretty well in educating children. Many homeschooling parents judge themselves to be unqualified to teach more specialized high school-level material, which is why homeschooling is less common at that age, but even then success is not rare. And at the earlier ages especially, the real state of affairs must be different than what you see. Perhaps the analogy to medicine is not such a good one. That might explain the pay differential between teachers and doctors&#8211;if, of course, it isn&#8217;t just due to more bourgeois expropriation of capital. Which I totally bet it is.</p>
<p>I would address the tired old canard about socialization, but I don&#8217;t get the idea that you really want to talk about any of this.</p>
<p>Tim
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		<title>by: Keri</title>
		<link>http://www.timberglund.com/blog/archives/526#comment-4462</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Apr 2006 22:37:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.timberglund.com/blog/archives/526#comment-4462</guid>
					<description>Homeschooling is crap.  I would bet that 90% of the parents that homeschool could not pass the state standards set forth for teachers.  Elem &amp;#38; early childhood teachers have to take 3 qualifing test.  If you were to teach middle school or high school you would have to pass a test for each and every subject.  Leave eduation up to the professional - you don't preform medical acts on your kids for lack of confidence in the system.  Get involved in local government &amp;#38; school districts to make a change rather than stunting your child's social abilities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Homeschooling is crap.  I would bet that 90% of the parents that homeschool could not pass the state standards set forth for teachers.  Elem &amp; early childhood teachers have to take 3 qualifing test.  If you were to teach middle school or high school you would have to pass a test for each and every subject.  Leave eduation up to the professional - you don&#8217;t preform medical acts on your kids for lack of confidence in the system.  Get involved in local government &amp; school districts to make a change rather than stunting your child&#8217;s social abilities.
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		<title>by: pentamom</title>
		<link>http://www.timberglund.com/blog/archives/526#comment-422</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.timberglund.com/blog/archives/526#comment-422</guid>
					<description>I saw this at the Duchess blog, and commented there, too, but this struck me as funny as well:

&quot;I find it strange that we send our young men and women to help assure that children can go to school in Afghanistan, yet we allow parents in Michigan to keep their children at home.&quot;

Yes, how hypocritical that we allow American parents to make choices about how their kids will be educated, while at the same time building up a structure so that Afghan parents have more...choices about how to educate their children.

&quot;Remember that the school day is only six hours long, five days a week. That leaves many hours during the week and summer for the parent.&quot;

Funny you should mention that.  Presumably, it also leaves many hours during the week for non-parental influences.  Interesting how often things work both ways.

&quot;Inveterate statist&quot; sums it up nicely.  &quot;Bonehead&quot; works for me, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw this at the Duchess blog, and commented there, too, but this struck me as funny as well:</p>
<p>&#8220;I find it strange that we send our young men and women to help assure that children can go to school in Afghanistan, yet we allow parents in Michigan to keep their children at home.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, how hypocritical that we allow American parents to make choices about how their kids will be educated, while at the same time building up a structure so that Afghan parents have more&#8230;choices about how to educate their children.</p>
<p>&#8220;Remember that the school day is only six hours long, five days a week. That leaves many hours during the week and summer for the parent.&#8221;</p>
<p>Funny you should mention that.  Presumably, it also leaves many hours during the week for non-parental influences.  Interesting how often things work both ways.</p>
<p>&#8220;Inveterate statist&#8221; sums it up nicely.  &#8220;Bonehead&#8221; works for me, too.
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		<title>by: intellitodd</title>
		<link>http://www.timberglund.com/blog/archives/526#comment-423</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Yes, those selfish, selfish mothers. How dare they steal the most precious formative years from their naive children when their peers could so much better set them on a life of conformity, bullying, peer pressure, intolerance of Christians, and mediocrity (yes, I am a product of the public school system). It's unbelievable that these mothers take this time from their kids for their own sadistic pleasure! Children have the right to experience whatever happens to be the current whim of educational experts. *BLECH* (I'm making myself sick)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, those selfish, selfish mothers. How dare they steal the most precious formative years from their naive children when their peers could so much better set them on a life of conformity, bullying, peer pressure, intolerance of Christians, and mediocrity (yes, I am a product of the public school system). It&#8217;s unbelievable that these mothers take this time from their kids for their own sadistic pleasure! Children have the right to experience whatever happens to be the current whim of educational experts. *BLECH* (I&#8217;m making myself sick)
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		<title>by: Phisch</title>
		<link>http://www.timberglund.com/blog/archives/526#comment-424</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.timberglund.com/blog/archives/526#comment-424</guid>
					<description>&quot;I have met and talked with a variety of home-schoolers, both children and parents.&quot;

As if her circle of groupies is an accurate, across-the-board assessment of all homeschoolers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I have met and talked with a variety of home-schoolers, both children and parents.&#8221;</p>
<p>As if her circle of groupies is an accurate, across-the-board assessment of all homeschoolers.
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		<title>by: sam</title>
		<link>http://www.timberglund.com/blog/archives/526#comment-425</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.timberglund.com/blog/archives/526#comment-425</guid>
					<description>I feel sorry for this line of thinking...  

She needs a reality check.

The public school system is failing our youth.  Check our students grades in comparison to the rest of your world.  We are losing ground fast with the system they have given us.

Thanks, but no thank you... keep your garbage cans to yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel sorry for this line of thinking&#8230;  </p>
<p>She needs a reality check.</p>
<p>The public school system is failing our youth.  Check our students grades in comparison to the rest of your world.  We are losing ground fast with the system they have given us.</p>
<p>Thanks, but no thank you&#8230; keep your garbage cans to yourself.
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		<title>by: dogman</title>
		<link>http://www.timberglund.com/blog/archives/526#comment-426</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.timberglund.com/blog/archives/526#comment-426</guid>
					<description>Tim, I don't know why you're so vexed at this author.  She makes an eloquent pro-life argument:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Mothers, get a life. How unfair it is for you to take away your own child's life in order to gratify yours? Is this what we must expect from the &quot;me first&quot; generation as it raises their families?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I'll bet she didn't realize the full extent of her &quot;lucid&quot; reasoning.  

Her logic is so flawed it's laughable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim, I don&#8217;t know why you&#8217;re so vexed at this author.  She makes an eloquent pro-life argument:</p>
<blockquote><p>Mothers, get a life. How unfair it is for you to take away your own child&#8217;s life in order to gratify yours? Is this what we must expect from the &#8220;me first&#8221; generation as it raises their families?</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;ll bet she didn&#8217;t realize the full extent of her &#8220;lucid&#8221; reasoning.  </p>
<p>Her logic is so flawed it&#8217;s laughable.
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		<title>by: DagneyT</title>
		<link>http://www.timberglund.com/blog/archives/526#comment-427</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>They're just mad because they're losing control of EVERYTHING!  Including our kids!  Her points were pathetic attempts to justify what they've turned public education into for the past 35-40 years.  They cannot teach our kids to hate our country, and read the Quoran, but not the Bible!  I could go on and on, but y'all know what I mean!  They like the idea that they can &quot;dumb down&quot; America, so we continue to believe their socialist agenda for us!  I'm so grateful to Fox News and the internet for reversing their trend!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They&#8217;re just mad because they&#8217;re losing control of EVERYTHING!  Including our kids!  Her points were pathetic attempts to justify what they&#8217;ve turned public education into for the past 35-40 years.  They cannot teach our kids to hate our country, and read the Quoran, but not the Bible!  I could go on and on, but y&#8217;all know what I mean!  They like the idea that they can &#8220;dumb down&#8221; America, so we continue to believe their socialist agenda for us!  I&#8217;m so grateful to Fox News and the internet for reversing their trend!
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